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NRGundlah 01-30-2005 08:48 AM

Gliders
 
Discuss whether or not they were used in the Airborne and whether or not they should be implemented in RnL.

EVENTUALLY!

Ratamacue 01-30-2005 09:08 AM

What do you mean discuss whether they were used? There's no ambiguousness or doubting evidence of their use. They WERE used in Normandy, and that's simply a fact. Glider Regiments were attached to Airborne divisions, so why shouldn't they be implemented in RnL?

ACEofSPADES87 01-30-2005 05:06 PM

Lol

Pvt. Shifty Powers 01-30-2005 07:55 PM

Hehehehe... ok glider infanty arent airborne. Airborne recieved hazard pay and gliders didnt recieve hazard pay until later. They are different groups. Gliders were used but they werent paratroopers.

Subvert 01-31-2005 04:37 PM

i think they have glider infantry models in the 'media' section right? then that answers your question, ya they already are going to have glider infantry in RnL, as far as landing in the glider, i dont think thats going to happen you'll probly just spawn inside a crashed glider

Joe Searle 01-31-2005 05:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Subvert
i think they have glider infantry models in the 'media' section right? then that answers your question, ya they already are going to have glider infantry in RnL, as far as landing in the glider, i dont think thats going to happen you'll probly just spawn inside a crashed glider

where have you gotten that from?

Ratamacue 01-31-2005 05:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pvt. Shifty Powers
Hehehehe... ok glider infanty arent airborne. Airborne recieved hazard pay and gliders didnt recieve hazard pay until later. They are different groups. Gliders were used but they werent paratroopers.
I never said they were Paratroopers, but they WERE attached to Airborne units. And Subvert, they used to have Glider infantry models in the media section, but they seem to have mysteriously disappeared. Hmm...

SubhumaN 01-31-2005 06:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratamacue
What do you mean discuss whether they were used? There's no ambiguousness or doubting evidence of their use. They WERE used in Normandy, and that's simply a fact. Glider Regiments were attached to Airborne divisions, so why shouldn't they be implemented in RnL?


oh my god, i nearly spat out of my coffee

Pvt. Shifty Powers 01-31-2005 06:45 PM

Lol sub.

Maybe your thinking of the c47 (sp) not glider but i know glider and paratrooper(airborne) were 2 different units in the military becuase i saw an interveiw with one of the guys from 506th about when he joined.

Sir_Winston 01-31-2005 08:13 PM

Of course they were two differnt Units but they were still both part of the Airbourne Divisions

A) PIR-Parachute Infantry Regiments

and

B) GIR-Glider Infantry Regiments

Ben Goldberg 01-31-2005 08:19 PM

In all logic they will be ingame, I can see no reason why they wouldnt.

B-Rod 01-31-2005 08:41 PM

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The division underwent another organizational change that month, when the 2d Battalion, 401st Glider Infantry, was permanently transferred to the 82d Airborne Division. The 1st Battalion was attached to the 327th Glider Infantry to operate under that regiment as a third battalion. The 1st Battalion, 401st GIR, was made an official element of the 327th GIR in April 1945.



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The paratroopers of the 101st were promised reinforcements at dawn, when 51 of the division's gliders were scheduled to land. The gliders, however, had problems of their own. Many of the gliders crashed, and several soldiers of the division were killed, including Brig. Gen. Don F. Pratt, the assistant division commander. A second glider landing at dusk that day produced even more casualties.

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On 8 June elements of the 501st and 506th Parachute Infantry, along with the 1st Battalion, 401st Glider Infantry, engaged a German force in the town of St. Côme-du-Mont. The 3d Battalion, 501st PIR, took positions south of the town, along the highway to Carentan where it encountered the enemy. The 1st Battalion, 401st Glider Infantry, was called to aid the 3d Battalion, but the enemy withdrew before the glider troops arrived.

My Source:http://www.ww2-airborne.us/18corps/...1_overview.html

So the glider's it appears worked hand in hand with many of the Airborne units. As well as being a part of the 82nd Airborne.

Jonathan Murphy 01-31-2005 10:30 PM

The glider player models will make a come back in the foreseeable future. ;)

We will not ignore the glider regiments contributions to the liberation of Normandy. I just wouldn't expect to experience alot of real-time glider landing.

Lt.Spears 01-31-2005 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Murphy
The glider player models will make a come back in the foreseeable future. ;)

We will not ignore the glider regiments contributions to the liberation of Normandy. I just wouldn't expect to experience alot of real-time glider landing.

But the only thing more thrilling than jumping out of a perfectly working plane is not being to jump out of a perfectly crashing plane :p

2ltben 02-02-2005 03:32 AM

There was a rather large American glider drop in Normandy, mate.

I'd imagine glider landings would f*ck the server over, though.

Billie|Joe 02-02-2005 04:23 AM

lol, it'd be cool to see gliders land w/ the physics engine and all :D ... run into a tree or something

Sir_Winston 02-02-2005 10:14 AM

Personally as long as we get to Spawn From the air on at least one of the maps. I couldnt care less about gliders

Pvt. Shifty Powers 02-02-2005 05:56 PM

Hey ben what were some of the american glider units that landed on dday and what towns do you think they might have taken...

The Pegasus Bridge Glider drop was Southeast of Sword Beach... that was british. Tell me more about the American gliders as i havent heard much about the American glider landings on dday. I assume they where Utah Beach landings.

[BT]Brimstone 02-02-2005 07:19 PM

here ya go found soem links fer yall

http://www.ww2-airborne.us/units/327/327.html

http://www.ww2-airborne.us/units/193/193.html

http://www.ww2-airborne.us/units/194/194.html

http://groups.msn.com/101stAirborne...1sthistory.msnw

figured id do a search and c what i could find

Pvt. Shifty Powers 02-03-2005 04:05 AM

"as part of the 82nd Infantry Divison" -Wait... wtf there was a 82nd airborne AND infantry??

Subvert 02-03-2005 03:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pvt. Shifty Powers
Lol sub.

Maybe your thinking of the c47 (sp) not glider but i know glider and paratrooper(airborne) were 2 different units in the military becuase i saw an interveiw with one of the guys from 506th about when he joined.

um no your an idiot im not thinking of the c47 im thinking of the glider infantry renders that used to be there.

2ltben 02-04-2005 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pvt. Shifty Powers
Hey ben what were some of the american glider units that landed on dday and what towns do you think they might have taken...

The Pegasus Bridge Glider drop was Southeast of Sword Beach... that was british. Tell me more about the American gliders as i havent heard much about the American glider landings on dday. I assume they where Utah Beach landings.
There was one not too far from Ste. Mere-Eglise, I beleive.
*edit*
They landed at Hiesville, four miles from Ste. Mere-Eglise. General Pratt, assistant divisional commander of the 101st, was killed here when the framework of his glider collapsed. Those were the 101st's gliders, the 82nd's gliders landed NW of Ste. Mere-Eglise, but they seriously f*cked up the landings. Gliders smashed into hedgerows and buildings, skidded into rivers, and plundged into marshes and causeways.

According to Captain Robert Piper, the adjutant of the 505th, he saw a glider almost take his head off, after that close call he said it "careened off the chimney of a house, dropping into the backyard, cartwheeled across the ground, and smashed into a thick stone wall. There was not even a moan from the wreckage."

Not a very pleasant night for the GIRs I'd say.

Lt.Spears 02-04-2005 11:21 PM

How did the British Glider do?

2ltben 02-05-2005 04:08 AM

British gliders landed at Ranville, Merville, Benouville(specifically 5 of the 6 gliders that were to attack Pegasus and Horsa Bridges, the 6th glider overshot the landing zone and landed some 10-20 miles south).

Look up the Merville Battery, if ever there was a miracle on D-Day, this was surely it.

Joe Searle 02-05-2005 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 2ltben
Look up the Merville Battery, if ever there was a miracle on D-Day, this was surely it.

Watched a program on that once.

Sir_Winston 02-05-2005 01:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ltben
British gliders landed at Ranville, Merville, Benouville(specifically 5 of the 6 gliders that were to attack Pegasus and Horsa Bridges, the 6th glider overshot the landing zone and landed some 10-20 miles south).

Look up the Merville Battery, if ever there was a miracle on D-Day, this was surely it.

British at there Best :D

$p!k3 02-05-2005 02:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir_Winston
British at there Best :D

Ya, but they were also stupid enough to throw good soldiers into very dangerous wooden boxes that ended up killing alot good British Soldiers.

There was a show on the history channel called The Color of War, and it had a letter from a soldier in the GIR. This is a very loose recolection of what he said....

"When the glider hit the dirt it dazed me pretty well, but when it finally stopped moving I look to my left and saw that (Name) had his head cocked back and his mouth gaping open and then I noticed the blood all over the glider behind his head and the metal beam lodged into his skull."

The acually quote may be diffrent I'm not sure but all I know is that it involed a glider, bitish people, crashing, and a dead man who smacked his head on the metal beams.

Lt.Spears 02-05-2005 04:17 PM

Before the landing, some of the 101st paratrooper tried the glider, then they decided that using a parachute was a better way to fall.

Hugh 02-05-2005 06:02 PM

I've been to Pegasus Bridge and Ste Mere Eglise, I have some pics somewhere...

Mike Hufnagl 02-05-2005 06:11 PM

Post up what you have. I can't have enough Eglise references. ;)

2ltben 02-05-2005 07:42 PM

The first casualty of the day wasn't even by enemy fire. It was at Pegasus. The No. 2 glider pilot touched down and didn't want the No. 3 glider to ram it's nose up it's ass, so he tried to swerve. The glider ended up breaking in half and the front part tipped a bit into the pond that's in between the two bridges. One lad was unfortunate enough to drown in it.

And getting seriously injured or killed by the glider itself wasn't all that hard. Major Howard got knocked out when he got tossed into the top of the glider on touchdown. He hit the top so hard that the liner in his helmet broke and his head went straight into the top of his helmet. Only knocked him out for about 30 seconds, but he was still lucky.

Hugh 02-06-2005 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Hufnagl
Post up what you have. I can't have enough Eglise references. ;)

Ok, I'm not too sure where they are, I think they are on disc somewhere, I've just gotta root them out, I'll try and get some up asap.

Pvt. Shifty Powers 02-07-2005 06:59 PM

Ill get you some aerial recon photos from before the drop Mike. the place has changed some since then im sure... Lol Sub y am i an idiot, i was just asking if you were confused. I havent seen either in the media as i dont look there much.

"The first casualty of the day wasn't even by enemy fire."- Can you give me a reference to this becuase i thought the first casualty was on the charge across the bridge when an officer was shot. Maybe that was the first death by enemy fire.

2ltben 02-08-2005 12:21 AM

Pegasus Bridge by Stephen Ambrose. Ambrose at his best imo.

That officer was Dan Brotheridge, and he was the first man to die by enemy fire. Sad thing was, he knew the first man going across that bridge wasn't coming back. I think the first man to realize this was Lt. Sandy Smith, who ran into a spot of bad luck when a good portion of his hand got blown off by a grenade.

Hugh 02-10-2005 02:27 PM

The first allied soldier KIA on D-Day was Lt. Den Brothridge of British 6th Airborne

Carmichael 02-21-2005 01:05 AM

Glider Infantry
 
Is there going to be Glider Infantry player models when the game is released? I saw a while back they had models for them but just recently they disapeared from the website.

Carmichael 02-21-2005 01:11 AM

I really hope the glider infantry are in the game. It seems with Band of Brothers on everyones mind people are forgeting about the Infantry. And I think Glider Infantry is the best I'm going to get in this situation.

Ben Goldberg 02-21-2005 03:11 AM

Im pretty sure glider infantry will eventually get in.

Pvt. Shifty Powers 02-21-2005 04:32 PM

Try posting glider questions in the glider thread... youll get a better response.

[BT]Brimstone 02-22-2005 12:46 AM

maybe some1 coule merge the 2 together? plz


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